Thomas Sinclair ‘History of the Clan Gunn’ Supplement, Eighth Instalment 20.1.1903 (more on Clan Gunn Chief claims and history, a lot of USA interest...)
There are a few ‘possibilities’ raised in the comments here as I try and think though the implications of this Supplement..
As usual I am providing a list of the key people and issues (in order of the article) in this Gunn Supplement so readers can work out if they need to work on these images; an Index of some sort always helps.
Image size changed and it works, I'll redo the others when I get a moment...
Review
This article is basically in two parts--
Firstly it continues discussion of Chief Hector Gunn and Chief Lieutenant George Gunn and states that the ‘Chiefship’ went to the nearest relative John Gunn Carriside (?), of the Braehour family, who died at Durness in 1886 leaving his eldest son Alexander Chief. It has useful discussion of the characters of these people. (Note, I descend through the Braehour line, so I might be prejudiced.)
Then the article drifts into a discussion of the clearances and consequent emigration to Canada, with the underpinning idea that basically sheer survival meant that who was Chief became unimportant.
Rough Chief family tree
The Gunn Chief tree goes like this, as far as I understand it and I may well be wrong... And see additions / alterations which I should add from my 1868 / 1870 trees...
John GUNN of Kilearnan & Navidale, 5th Mackeamish, b. circa 1601, d. after 1675
+Anne MACLEOD, b. circa 1604, m. circa 1624, d. after 1625
└── Alexander GUNN 6th Mackeamish, b. circa 1625, d. before 1714
+Christina MACKAY, b. circa 1640, m. 1664
├── Donald Crotaich GUNN of Kilearnan, b. circa 1665, d. 1709
│ +Margaret SUTHERLAND, b. 1666, m. 1688
│ ├── Alexander GUNN of Badinloch & Wester Helmsdale, 7th Mackeamish, b. circa 1689, d. 1763
│ │ +Mary MACKAY of Kirtomy, m. 1712, d. 1746
│ │ ├── Mary GUNN
│ │ ├── Elizabeth GUNN, b. 1713, d. 1722
│ │ ├── Margaret GUNN, b. circa 1715, d. before 1746
│ │ │ +Hugh MACKAY (Maj) of Rearquhar, m. 1737
│ │ │ └── Elizabeth MACKAY, b. circa 1740
│ │ ├── John GUNN, b. 1715, d. say 1716
│ │ └── Alexander GUNN, b. 1727, d. 1746
│ │ +Anne ROSE, b. 1733, m. circa 1754, d. 1793
│ │ ├── William GUNN 8th Mackeamish, b. circa 1756, d. 1780 DWI
│ │ └── Morrison GUNN 9th Mackeamish, b. circa 1759, d. 1785 DWI
│ ├── George GUNN of Corrish, b. circa 1691, d. before 1780
│ │ +Isabel POLSON (descendants illegitimate? So, not valid...?)
│ │ └── Donald GUNN (Lt), b. circa 1737, d. 1807
│ │ +Mary GUNN, b. 1733, m. 1763
│ │ └── Anne Isabella GUNN, b. 1765, d. before 1773
│ ├── William GUNN (Lt Col), b. circa 1695 (Descendants invalid as swore loyalty to the Dutch king... as I understand it)
│ │ +Anne ROSS, m. 1728
│ │ ├── Margaret GUNN, b. 1728, d. 1788
│ │ │ +Johan Frederik BROCADES, m. 1751
│ │ ├── Helen GUNN, b. 1731
│ │ ├── Mary GUNN, b. 1733
│ │ │ +Donald GUNN (Lt), b. circa 1737, m. 1763, d. 1807
│ │ │ └── Anne Isabella GUNN (see above)
│ │ ├── Donald GUNN, b. 1735
│ │ ├── James GUNN, b. 1737
│ │ ├── Alexander GUNN, b. 1738
│ │ └── Hugh GUNN, b. 1741
│ └── Esther GUNN, b. circa 1700
│ (here is the Gunn claim still being explored by Lord Lyon, as I understand it.) UPDATE 21.8.2012 BUT another Gunn sister now exists look for 22.8.2012 entry which looks very interesting...
└── George GUNN in Borrobol, b. after 1665
+Barbara MACKAY, m. 1707
├── George GUNN in Achnahua
└── John GUNN in Kinbrace, b. say 1710
+unknown spouse
└── George GUNN in Knockfinn, b. say 1735
+unknown spouse
├── Hector GUNN in Thurso, d. 1803 (sort of accepted Chief)
│ +unknown spouse
│ ├── Robert GUNN
│ ├── Janet/Jessie GUNN
│ │ +William MACKAY
│ └── George GUNN (Lt, RN) in Rhives, b. 1787, d. 1859 (sort of accepted Chief)
│ +Margaret MACDONALD of Skeabost
│ ├── Donald GUNN in Truro, b. say 1828, d. 1863
│ ├── Hector GUNN in Elgin, b. say 1830, d. 1874
│ ├── Jessie GUNN, b. say 1832 (see following note)
│ │ +Arthur DIXON (Rev) of Truro (second marriage, St. Mary's Truro)
│ └── Margaret GUNN, b. say 1834
│ +Malcolm Charles MACHARDY, m. 1861 (see detail below)
└── Mary GUNN
+Donald SUTHERLAND
Two further children for Lt. George Gunn have been found, see below...
Also 'Miller, James Andrew...
Son of James Miller, proprietor in Trinidad. M.A., Mar. Coll., 1836. App. to Henry Lumsden and Clements Lumsden (Henry & Clements Lumsden). Married Jessie, x eldest dau. of George Gunn, Rhives, Sutherlandshire, factor for His Grace the Duke of Sutherland, with issue.
Died at Rhives, 20th July, 1853.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/john-alexander-henderson/history-of-the-society-of-advocates-in-aberdeen-hci/page-24-history-of-the-society-of-advocates-in-aberdeen-hci.shtml
I entered the George Gunn of Rhives line into ‘ancestry.co’ to see what it would find as a possibility (if anything). And, as usual it provides some interesting suggestions;
As usual I am providing a list of the key people and issues (in order of the article) in this Gunn Supplement so readers can work out if they need to work on these images; an Index of some sort always helps.
Image size changed and it works, I'll redo the others when I get a moment...
Review
This article is basically in two parts--
Firstly it continues discussion of Chief Hector Gunn and Chief Lieutenant George Gunn and states that the ‘Chiefship’ went to the nearest relative John Gunn Carriside (?), of the Braehour family, who died at Durness in 1886 leaving his eldest son Alexander Chief. It has useful discussion of the characters of these people. (Note, I descend through the Braehour line, so I might be prejudiced.)
Then the article drifts into a discussion of the clearances and consequent emigration to Canada, with the underpinning idea that basically sheer survival meant that who was Chief became unimportant.
Rough Chief family tree
The Gunn Chief tree goes like this, as far as I understand it and I may well be wrong... And see additions / alterations which I should add from my 1868 / 1870 trees...
John GUNN of Kilearnan & Navidale, 5th Mackeamish, b. circa 1601, d. after 1675
+Anne MACLEOD, b. circa 1604, m. circa 1624, d. after 1625
└── Alexander GUNN 6th Mackeamish, b. circa 1625, d. before 1714
+Christina MACKAY, b. circa 1640, m. 1664
├── Donald Crotaich GUNN of Kilearnan, b. circa 1665, d. 1709
│ +Margaret SUTHERLAND, b. 1666, m. 1688
│ ├── Alexander GUNN of Badinloch & Wester Helmsdale, 7th Mackeamish, b. circa 1689, d. 1763
│ │ +Mary MACKAY of Kirtomy, m. 1712, d. 1746
│ │ ├── Mary GUNN
│ │ ├── Elizabeth GUNN, b. 1713, d. 1722
│ │ ├── Margaret GUNN, b. circa 1715, d. before 1746
│ │ │ +Hugh MACKAY (Maj) of Rearquhar, m. 1737
│ │ │ └── Elizabeth MACKAY, b. circa 1740
│ │ ├── John GUNN, b. 1715, d. say 1716
│ │ └── Alexander GUNN, b. 1727, d. 1746
│ │ +Anne ROSE, b. 1733, m. circa 1754, d. 1793
│ │ ├── William GUNN 8th Mackeamish, b. circa 1756, d. 1780 DWI
│ │ └── Morrison GUNN 9th Mackeamish, b. circa 1759, d. 1785 DWI
│ ├── George GUNN of Corrish, b. circa 1691, d. before 1780
│ │ +Isabel POLSON (descendants illegitimate? So, not valid...?)
│ │ └── Donald GUNN (Lt), b. circa 1737, d. 1807
│ │ +Mary GUNN, b. 1733, m. 1763
│ │ └── Anne Isabella GUNN, b. 1765, d. before 1773
│ ├── William GUNN (Lt Col), b. circa 1695 (Descendants invalid as swore loyalty to the Dutch king... as I understand it)
│ │ +Anne ROSS, m. 1728
│ │ ├── Margaret GUNN, b. 1728, d. 1788
│ │ │ +Johan Frederik BROCADES, m. 1751
│ │ ├── Helen GUNN, b. 1731
│ │ ├── Mary GUNN, b. 1733
│ │ │ +Donald GUNN (Lt), b. circa 1737, m. 1763, d. 1807
│ │ │ └── Anne Isabella GUNN (see above)
│ │ ├── Donald GUNN, b. 1735
│ │ ├── James GUNN, b. 1737
│ │ ├── Alexander GUNN, b. 1738
│ │ └── Hugh GUNN, b. 1741
│ └── Esther GUNN, b. circa 1700
│ (here is the Gunn claim still being explored by Lord Lyon, as I understand it.) UPDATE 21.8.2012 BUT another Gunn sister now exists look for 22.8.2012 entry which looks very interesting...
└── George GUNN in Borrobol, b. after 1665
+Barbara MACKAY, m. 1707
├── George GUNN in Achnahua
└── John GUNN in Kinbrace, b. say 1710
+unknown spouse
└── George GUNN in Knockfinn, b. say 1735
+unknown spouse
├── Hector GUNN in Thurso, d. 1803 (sort of accepted Chief)
│ +unknown spouse
│ ├── Robert GUNN
│ ├── Janet/Jessie GUNN
│ │ +William MACKAY
│ └── George GUNN (Lt, RN) in Rhives, b. 1787, d. 1859 (sort of accepted Chief)
│ +Margaret MACDONALD of Skeabost
│ ├── Donald GUNN in Truro, b. say 1828, d. 1863
│ ├── Hector GUNN in Elgin, b. say 1830, d. 1874
│ ├── Jessie GUNN, b. say 1832 (see following note)
│ │ +Arthur DIXON (Rev) of Truro (second marriage, St. Mary's Truro)
│ └── Margaret GUNN, b. say 1834
│ +Malcolm Charles MACHARDY, m. 1861 (see detail below)
└── Mary GUNN
+Donald SUTHERLAND
Two further children for Lt. George Gunn have been found, see below...
Also 'Miller, James Andrew...
Son of James Miller, proprietor in Trinidad. M.A., Mar. Coll., 1836. App. to Henry Lumsden and Clements Lumsden (Henry & Clements Lumsden). Married Jessie, x eldest dau. of George Gunn, Rhives, Sutherlandshire, factor for His Grace the Duke of Sutherland, with issue.
Died at Rhives, 20th July, 1853.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/john-alexander-henderson/history-of-the-society-of-advocates-in-aberdeen-hci/page-24-history-of-the-society-of-advocates-in-aberdeen-hci.shtml
I entered the George Gunn of Rhives line into ‘ancestry.co’ to see what it would find as a possibility (if anything). And, as usual it provides some interesting suggestions;
Lt. George Gunn of Rhives
Lt. George Gunn 1787-1859 and Margaret MacDonald had six children. The oldest child was Christina M. Gunn. Now, given that the Gunn line can inherit through the female line in some circumstances, this is potentially a very major cadet line (the American interest!)...
Anyway, the overall point to all the above is quite simple, whether or not one views the Gunn of Rhives line as authentic chiefs in the past (and, as said before, no Clan Gunn chiefs have ever been accepted by Lord Lyon), descendants from them would certainly be very serious contenders for the most senior cadet line if the Family Convention idea goes ahead. Given the amount of people it would be ludicrous to think that all lines would be extinct. Of course, it would be fair enough for them not know the importance of who they are...
Key facts, issues and people
- Christina M Gunn 1826- (marries John Gordon), they have at least one child Jessie Gordon 1846-1904 who marries Charles Campbell 1837-1912 and have a dozen children. Jessie dies on Campbell Island Mississippi in 1904, Charles Campbell dies Mississippi 4 April 1912.
- Jane / Jessie Gunn 1827-1887. She dies in Devon, married twice, first to James Miller with children. Then to Arthur Dixon in 1858.
- Donald Gunn 1828-1863, dies in Truro.
- Hector Gunn 1829-1874 he married Mary Elizabeth MacKilligan. He worked in India as a Bank manager. I suspect no issue.
- Margaret Gunn 1833. (Update; she married Malcolm Charles Machardy - who was born on the Isle of Skye - in St. Kilda, Melbourne Australia in 1862. He is an important banker. They move to Sydney with the London Chartered Bank where he is the Manager. He is involved with land and wine in his spare time. They have probably only three children. Margaret Edith Machardy 1862-1871 at Edgecliff Road, Double Bay, Sydney, NSW Australia. Ronald Machardy 1866-1923 (no visible marriage or children records) and Mary Eliza Machardy 1870-1948. Malcolm Charles Machardy retired to Culrain Lodge, Ross Scotland. It's now demolished and replaced by Carbisdale Castle, Sutherland. His wife then returned to Australia; she lived in Bowral (with her children) for the rest of her life. I believe this line to be 'extinct', but of course I could be wrong. )
- Elizabeth Sutherland Gunn 1835.
Anyway, the overall point to all the above is quite simple, whether or not one views the Gunn of Rhives line as authentic chiefs in the past (and, as said before, no Clan Gunn chiefs have ever been accepted by Lord Lyon), descendants from them would certainly be very serious contenders for the most senior cadet line if the Family Convention idea goes ahead. Given the amount of people it would be ludicrous to think that all lines would be extinct. Of course, it would be fair enough for them not know the importance of who they are...
Key facts, issues and people
- · Chief Hector Gunn 1803
- · Chief Lieutenant George Gunn R.N.
- · Chief Lieutenant George Gunn R.N.’s daughter (which one??) was the widow of M.C. M’Hardy (butMalcolm Charles Macready in the previous supplement) who died in 1891 at Culrain Lodge, the lessee of its shootings Ross-shire.
- · Scobie of Keoldale
- · Scobie mother connected (with the Clan Gunn)
- · ‘one of whom was the father of Mrs Donald Mackay of Skerray, whose daughter was was Mrs Scobie’s grandmother,’
- · ‘her cousin Janet Mackay of Clibrig, was the wife of another chief, Hector Gunn who died in 1803, and who was the father of George of Rhives, chief of the clan Gunn who died in 1859’...
- · Scobie Minister at Kelso
- · ‘Hector Gunn and George Gunn as chiefs, to whom Alexander Durness, is successor.’ Now, I am not sure about this. If the Rhives are ‘irrelevant’ in the sense they all end up with no direct male line, I think Alexander Gunn of Durness is also not right. Why? His father was John Gunn in Durness but John is the oldest son of Donald Gunn (Sennachie) of Braehour and Brawlbin (wife Catherine Gunn of Osclay- see earlier post about Osclay, or use blog search button). Donald Gunn had an older brother William Gunn in Braehour, much of whose line went to Canada, including the Hon. Donald Gunn of Manitoba. Perhaps it’s better to view John (and Alexander of Durness) as the best of those left in Scotland (although I have not fully checked that idea...). Are my birth dates for William Gunn Braehour and Donald Gunn Sennachie totally accurate? I must check, If Donald was older that would alter this comment a lot as it would make John correctly a more serious ‘Chief’ option... I note John Gunn in Durness married Catherine Gunn in Campster, whose line is also of note; both Braehour and Campster Gunns descend from John Gunn of Knockfinn. My records for John Gunn of Durness's family go through to the 1970s for deaths. I am sure current descendants would be around...
- · No good word on Lieutenant George Gunn (not, as regards the Chief claim, but as an unpleasant piece of work...), but is the Macleod who makes this comment merely biased?
- · Highland clearances, Kildonan in May 1811
- · Marchioness of Stafford, Gower, Gordon family, Dunrobin Castle
- · Marchioness impression that Clan Gunn ‘chiefly engaged in distilling whisky’. ‘She hears that the Gunns of Kildonan mean to fight for their homes...’ Military...
- · C. K. Sharpe of Hoddam Castle, author of ‘Witchcraft in Scotland’
- · Sir Robert Gordon
- · ‘the chief was away as a lieutenant (Chief Lieutenant George Gunn R.N.) on board a warship. If he were on the spot, his unmistakeable shrewdness... handsome, dark haired man, of good stature, unusual education and oratorical ability... By men exasperated with suffering eviction, he has never quite been forgiven...’
- · ‘It is possible that Dunrobin anxieties as to a Kildonan insurrection may have been founded partly on the knowledge that only the superiority, and not the property, of the soil really belonged to them from 1803.
- · Marquis of Stafford
- · Elizabeth Gordon (otherwise Seton)
- · Douglas Earl of Selkirk 1811 Kildonan
- · Red River Settlement, Hudson Bay Company, North-West Company, Canada
- · Gunn emigrants
- · Massacre in Canada
- · Lake Winnipeg
- · Governor Richard Semple
- · 19 June 1816 battle between the Hudson Bay and North-West Companies
- · Lord Selkirk hypocritical on alcohol
- · Winnipeg
- · Manitoba
- · Fort Garry
- · Captain Miles Macdonald
- · Why is this Canada material related to the Gunn Chief issues? Because Kidonan and Strathnavernia were swept (nearly) clear of Gunns, so the chief issues became muddied... ‘interest in the true representatives (of the Chief) dwindled to next to nothing’.
- · John Gunn, the robber in ‘The Lady of the Lake’.
- · Criticisms of the clearances.